CHAPTER 27 - GLENN
From Richard's memoirs, recovered from his original WordPerfect files
Glenn Albert Rogers was born 20 May 1900 in West Orange, New Jersey, which made him seventeen years my senior. Glenn had worked for Consolidated Aircraft (later Convair) in San Diego during World War II from 1940 to 1947. After the war he moved up to Los Angeles and began working for the UCLA Office of Architects & Engineers in 1947.
Glenn was my immediate supervisor in the Office of Architects & Engineers at UCLA for twenty-two years. For nearly twenty years, with our desks set back to back, we faced each other, worked together, listened in on each others phone conversations, etc., and we became exceptionally good friends. During that period I learned a great deal from Glenn, not only of mechanical engineering but also of understanding and associating with others. For these reasons I include him as a part of my personal history.
Glenn was the type of man who would share his knowledge with you. I have met several men who, if they knew something or understood something, wanted to keep it to themselves with the thought that they knew more about it than others. Glenn was exactly the opposite. He would share anything he knew, particularly about engineering, with whoever desired to know his understanding of the subject. He taught me a great deal about engineering that I could have never learned in school. I believe that it was this characteristic of Glenn's that made him so well known and liked throughout the Southern California area in engineering circles.
In 1957 the UCLA Campus was faced with the difficult task of getting the Statewide Office to grant permission to Air Condition our buildings. The Berkeley staff, with the Campus situated on the San Francisco Bay, could see no justification for our request as our Campus was located so near to the Pacific Ocean. Glenn Roger was appointed the head of a committee to establish an Air Conditioning Regulation by which we could determine justification for air conditioning our buildings. The committee was composed of men from both the Berkeley and UCLA Campuses, but Glenn masterminded and did the lion's share of the work in establishing the regulation. I had a hand in it in running down data for him.
Glenn completed the project in 1958 and then had the task of getting the University to accept the regulation. Berkeley, in particular, tried to override the justification. The Regulation was finally adopted and was also acceptable to the State Architect, the State Department of Finance, and the University Engineer, Mr. Roscoe A. Weaver. It has been the standard for UCLA ever since and with the heat loads built up in University classrooms, laboratories, etc., we have justified air conditioning for nearly every building on campus.
On 11 October 1968 in a weekly job meeting with the Contractor, Ray Wilson Company, on our Basic Sciences Unit 1 Alterations Project, I took exception to statements made by Ray Mattern of Merit Plumbing Company, Inc., Subcontractor for the mechanical work of the project, concerning a Cost Proposal for deleting some plumbing work. I called him a liar and emphasized it with “a damn liar.” Because of this on 31 December 1968 I received a Summons from the Superior Court for Complaint No. 945205, for Defamation/Slander with Raymond Mattern and the Merit Company as Plaintiff and Myself and the Regents of the University of California ad Defendants. General damages of $10,000.00 and Punitive Damages of $10,000.00 were sought.
I turned the Summons over to the University. Donald L. Reidhaar, Assistant Counsel for the University referred it to the University Insurance Officer, W. W. Wadman indicating that inasmuch as I “was acting in the capacity of and as agent for the Regents it would appear clear that the attorneys for our insurance carrier are to defend Mr. Clarke as well as the Regents.”
In a letter to me, dated 9 January 1969, Donald Reidhaar indicated to me that Punitive Damages could be imposed upon me despite the outcome of our attorneys' defense in that Punitive Damages are awarded “only for punishing the individual wrongdoer for his outrageous conduct, and thus it would be contrary to public policy to permit the wrongdoer to shift this burden to a third party.” To me that could only mean that I could be stuck with a $10,000 damage payment. I made the suggestion to Reidhaar that perhaps the Regents should bring a counter suit against Merit Plumbing but Reidhaar indicated he didn't believe the Regents would be interested but that I was free to do so if I wished.
It became obvious to me that the University did not intend to fight my personal battle and I was not about to go to the expense of bringing a countersuit myself. I wrote to Vice President Elmo R. Morgan, Asst. Vice President Robert J. Evans, and University Engineer Frank K. Crouch, all who knew me personally. I indicated that I didn't expect someone to come down and hold my hand but I did expect that someone, either from the University Counsel or Pacific Indemnity Company or the Law Offices of Veatch, Carlson, Dorsey & Quimby who was defending the Regents, take time to sit with me and discuss the situation more fully than had been done by correspondence and telephone calls. I further asked that if it be within their jurisdiction I would appreciate any assurance that they could extend me that I would be fully protected. As a result of my letter I received a copy of a letter Donald Reidhaar wrote to Elmo Morgan in response to mine in which he merely reiterated what he had previously told me.
As I awaited the outcome, my friend Glenn Rogers, on 26 February 1969, unbeknown to anyone in our office, took it upon himself to go to bat for me. He contacted Norman Bernstein of Century Conditioning Company (another Subcontractor who had done much work for us) and asked him if he could work something out with Merit Company and Mattern. Glenn told Norm that he did not believe the lawsuit if pursued would improve our relationship, win or lose. Norm agreed that it was a very poor way to do business and he would see what he could do to correct the situation.
The following day Ray Mattern telephone Glenn, after talking to Norm and they set up a luncheon meeting for 3 March. Glenn also talked again to Norm who stated that he had talked to both Stanley Lieberman, the President of Merit Plumbing, and Ray Mattern regarding their attitude toward the University and strongly recommended that they change their image if they wanted to enjoy the same relationship with UCLA-CAE personnel that he had enjoyed over many years. He advised them to cancel the lawsuit and told them we were only trying to do our job and obtain the best job for the University.
On 3 March Ray Mattern and Glenn met and after Ray had registered his complaints to Glenn, he also stated that he was not interested in public or private apologies, and that the lawsuit was not instigated to get even or to be vindictive; it was done to get people off his back. He asked Glenn what he thought he should do and what Glenn could do to improve his relationship, et cetera, et cetera. Glenn told Ray that when he informed him (Glenn) that the lawsuit was cancelled/cleaned up he would arrange with Dick Clarke and Bing Hedrick (A & E Construction Supervisor) to revise procedures and attitudes of all personnel having to do with his jobs. Mattern telephoned Glenn on 13 March stating his lawyer had dropped charges as they had agreed to.
On 24 March 1969 I received a copy of a letter from the University Attorneys to the Pacific Indemnity Company indicating they had prevailed in the case and voluntarily secured a Dismissal with Prejudice from the plaintiff's attorney as it related to all defendants. The letter further stated that “the Judge in the case was ready to dismiss the Punitive Damages as it related to the Regents, but felt the action against Clarke must be maintained on the theory as to whether or not the words used by him were discretionary or ministerial. He thought this was a question of fact and should be sent to trial as it relates to that portion of the lawsuit.” (My underlining.) This could have proven expensive for me. The letter concluded: “You may safely close the file.”
Glenn notified our Statewide people of the action he had taken and after the case had been dismissed, Ray Mattern, Glenn Rogers and myself met for lunch and Ray and I shook hands and the matter was forgotten. It should be noted that I doubt if the Attorneys ever really knew why the suit was withdrawn. Their above letter seemed to take the credit for it. I was ever indebted to Glenn for his action in my behalf.
One final word to close this file. Donald Reidhaar eventually became The University Attorney, however, he committed suicide a few years later by jumping off the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.
In February of 1969 Glenn wrote a letter to the Chairman of the Board of the York Division, Borg-Warner. His closing paragraph was as follows:
“I will be joining the Club (retiring) June 30 and will have to decide in the meantime as to which one of three offers of consulting work I wish to accept. Mr. Richard C. Clarke will become Campus Engineer at the time of my retirement. York representatives will find him to be very well informed and a very capable engineer.”
Jim Westphall, who was the Campus Architect at the time, took exception to Glenn making the statement about me and immediately informed Glenn that the decision on who would succeed him as Campus Engineer had not yet been determined. Jim and I never had “hit it off” very well and that, with the above lawsuit, was probably his reason for not wanting me to get the title.
On 1 March 1969 Glenn wrote Westphall the following letter:
“Subject: My retirement June 30, 1969 and appointment of Richard C. Clarke as Campus Engineer
“In the best interests of the University and our department and to ensure continuity of the knowledgeable high quality performance of the Engineer's Division of the Campus Architects and Engineers Department that all members of this division have developed and tried to maintain during the past twenty years plus, I submit the strongest possible recommendation that Richard C. Clarke be promoted to my position as Campus Engineer with the classification of Principal Engineer and salary that prevails.
“Two years ago, in anticipation of my retirement, you asked me whom I would recommend to take my place. I stated that in my judgment Dick Clarke was the best qualified member of my organization for this position. I gave you my reasons and answered your questions. You did not offer any objections. Last year you again asked the same question which I answered in kind and again you mentioned no objection.
“I submit it was reasonable for me to assume that you concurred with me in my selection of Dick Clarke to replace me and that his appointment was just a matter of time until I retired.
“Recently you criticized my informing my very good friend Mr. Joe Elliott, Chairman of the Board of Directors, York Division, Borg-Warner that Richard C. Clarke would succeed me. I find in referring to the file to refresh myself as to the contents of my letter, that you have inscribed thereon notes to the effect that the decision has not been made at this time to appoint Dick Clarke, et cetera, et cetera. Your criticism was quite a surprise to me. I wonder what your objections may be. Therefore, I feel obligated to place his qualifications in the record as I see them:
1. Richard C. Clarke has completed 20 years of service with this department February 28, 1969
2. During this 20 years, he has built an enviable reputation for fairness and cooperation with all those people with whom he has been associated and he enjoys their sincere respect.
3. Dick has demonstrated his ability as an engineer in the many projects that he has been responsible for. He has a broader viewpoint of all phases of engineering that have been required in the development of all the utility systems for distribution throughout the campus and in the buildings, than anyone else in the engineering division.
4. He enjoys the very best reputation for cooperation and understanding contribution to new design with Executive Engineers in developing plans for buildings and utility distribution systems. He is always willing to help anyone with their problems.
5. He is loyal to the University and sincere in his effort to always obtain the best possible results in all that he undertakes. If he doesn't have the answer, he will get it.
6. He has earned this promotion in every way his performance can be judged.
7. He has seniority in our division when I leave, which means that he has a 20-year investment of time and effort and experience in the University and it means that the University has a valuable 20-year investment in him that should be acknowledged at least in part by this promotion.
I sincerely appreciate the excellent job he has done and the great contribution he has made for the success of our division in particular and our department as a whole.
Glenn A. Rogers
Campus Engineercc: Vice Chancellor William G. Young
Mr. Richard C. Clarke”
Asa H. Smith, who had been an architect in our office for several years, succeeded Jim Westphall as Campus Architect and Glenn wrote to him on 29 June 1969 in part as follows:
“Mr. Asa Hartung Smith: . . . .
“I am very concerned with providing a continuity of leadership for our engineering division of our department, which will assure you of dependable support and will maintain the respect and reputation for good judgment with fairness in all relations with Contractors, Architects & Engineers, Fellow Employees, University People, and local and State personnel concerned with our services. It disturbs me greatly that we should lose what little prestige we have left after these recent years of endeavor by our former department head to break down and completely discredit everything organized by Carl C. McElvy. To proceed now with your few organization changes you have made, without at the same time appointing a Principal Engineer head of this division will not provide the strength and support you need to further improve the Morale of our department.
“I have always tried to use good judgment in my decisions and have never to my knowledge given you, or anyone with whom I have been associated, bad advice. I have selected Dick Clarke to succeed me as the man best qualified to successfully handle the many and various problems of a Principal Engineer. He is not a “yes” man and he will give an honest opinion. If he loses the argument or exchange of ideas, he will support the verdict of the majority and/or that of the Boss. He does not ride the fence with a “maybe” yes or no. He will stand up and be counted and will accept full responsibility. He does not “point the finger” or “witch hunt” or “pass the buck”. He has proven his many abilities over these past 20 years with our department. Please review the copy of my recommendation to Westphall dated March 1, 1969 which I gave you.
“At the time that William G. Young (Vice-Chancellor) called me in for my recommendation for a successor to Westphall, he asked me not to press getting Westphall to promote Dick before he left. Bill said he would prefer to leave the promotion to the new Campus Architect and I told him I would go along with that.
“I am sure that Bill invested you with full authority to make whatever reorganizational changes you wish, to obtain a real effective, well coordinated and smooth running department. My selection of Dick Clarke is no reflection on the ability of any other member of our organization in his professional field or in his performance as a Project Engineer. Every man in my group has been a top man in his field and has demonstrated his abilities for many years.
“Dick has seniority in our division and I repeat, he has earned this promotion in every way his performance can be judged.
“I sincerely appreciate the excellent job he has done and the great contribution he has made for the success of our division in particular and our department as a whole. I am confident that he will provide you with every assistance you may require in the coming months/years. . . .
“If my judgment is unacceptable, check with Bing Hedrick, Bob Ross, Burt Cowman, Frank Coleman and others in other departments on Campus who have dealings with Dick, and then check with Executive Engineers and other outsiders and equipment suppliers who have all inquired of me as to who will take my place and who have expressed themselves as being happy to learn that Dick is my choice. Everyone has said that he is the one best qualified in our department. .
Sincerely,
Glenn”
On 4 July 1969, after he had retired, Glenn wrote to Chancellor Charles E.Young and Vice-Chancellor William G. Young, again indicating me as his choice to replace his as Campus Engineer. In his letter to Bill Young he stated:
“I cannot understand what your objection is to giving Dick Clarke my Title of Principal Engineer . . . If his ability as a leader and an administrator is in question, please try what he did in addition to his job at the University. He successfully performed as Bishop of the Mormon Stake in San Fernando Valley for his full term. . . . I feel frustrated in that I cannot learn from you or Asa what it is that you hold against Dick. Asa says you told him not to give him this promotion until you return.”
Glenn retired from the University on 30 June 1969 at which time I wrote to him the following letter:
“Dear Glenn:
With your retirement coming next week, I want to take a few moments and attempt to express, in part, the sentiments that have come to me from our relationship of the past 20 years.
You retire leaving a great and worthy contribution to the University, particularly in the establishment of suitable and proper operational procedures for all phases of activity of the Engineering Section of the Office of Architects and Engineers. The example you have shown to all of us has left a deep and lasting impression on me personally, and I am sure upon all of us who have felt truly a part of our great organization as it was originally founded. Your fairness to all, and willingness to share your knowledge and abilities with all of us is, in itself, a mark of distinction of a man who, in serving his fellow man, is a great leader of men. This recognition is shared by hundreds of men throughout the Southern California area who have felt your influence.
I am greatly indebted to you for the knowledge and understanding of not only the art of engineering you have shared with me, but also the development of my ability in the personal relationship with others. I believe that I have greatly matured in the past twenty years under your tutelage. As your subordinate, I have done my best to be loyal to you and worthy of the trust you have placed in me, only to discover that you, in your unselfish manner, have extended loyalty and esteem to me in even greater degree. On several occasions you have gone well beyond the “extra mile” in my behalf. You have pulled me out of some rather deep holes and you have promoted my advancement in many ways, which has been a great encouragement to me. As I review some of the many considerations you have extended to me over these 20 years I regret that I have not reciprocated more.
James Henry Leigh Hunt in his poem, “Abou Ben Adhem” puts to words my sentiments far better than I could ever express:
“Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw--within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich and like a lily in bloom--
An angel, writing in a book of gold.
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
'What writest thou?'--The vision raised its head,
And, with a look made of all sweet accord,
Answered, 'The names of those who love the Lord.'
'And is mine one?' said Abou. 'Nay, not so,'
Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerily still, and said, 'I pray thee, then,
Write me as one that loves his fellow men.'
The angel wrote and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great awakening light,
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest.”I find it most easy to substitute the name “Glenn Rogers” for the name “Abou Ben Adhem” and the poem is still most acceptable. Although you and I have some differences of understanding of God and his creations, I know you will always seek the truth and accept it as you find it. Therefore, as the poem says--God will bless you.
I value your friendship very highly. I hope we can always keep in touch and share a few moments together from time to time as the years go by. Your position with Bob Lowe will assure this for some time and I am grateful.
In closing, Glenn, I want you to know that I always stand ready, willing and able to do anything I can in your behalf. Please do never hesitate to call on me at any time. I will sincerely appreciate the opportunity.
Most sincerely,
Dick”
I put the above letter in Glenn's coat pocket while it was hanging in our office. A week later I receive his letter that follows:
July 4, 1969
Dear Dick:-
Today I knew what day it was and put up our flag in honor of the greatest day in history. Tuesday last, Rae woke me at 11:00 AM and I said, my “Goodness!” I'll be late for work. She straightened me out. The next day I awoke, bathed and shaved and she said, “Where are you going?” I said: “What day is this?”
We went to the races Wednesday afternoon. I fed the ponies and Rae won $31.00 on two horses she picked by shutting her eyes and stabbing her program with her pencil - that is what is known as “Blind Luck.” The first horse paid $6.00 and the second $25.00.
Dick, I do not have the words or the ability to express my deeper and sentimental feelings as you do. Your letter is the finest I have ever received from anyone and I appreciate your kind words and sincere feelings. As to comparing me to “Abou Ben Adhem,” I am afraid I have neglected many of the established and accepted precepts and orthodox procedures for worship of our Good Lord, God, as practiced in any specific church or by any particular organization other than the simple belief in God as practiced in Masonry.
As a youngster, due to my folks moving so many times during the first 20 years of their married life, we went to many different churches; Presbyterian, Methodist, Congregation-alist, Unitarian and maybe one or two others. I grew up with a sincere faith in God, and felt that all of these people in these different churches with their little prejudices and different procedures were seeking the same thing and that the sun worshipper or other uneducated human just wanted a peace of mind with a faith and hope of a hereafter. I tempered my faith in God's helping hand in answer to prayer, with “God helps them as puts forth the effort to help themselves” from Page 1, Paragraph 1 in the “Book of Experience” as taught in the rough “School of Hard Knocks.”
Please understand that I have a very deep feeling of friendship for you and I sincerely appreciate your loyalty and assistance these all too short 20 years. If I have been of some little assistance to you, I am Happy, for to me, helping a Brother Fellow Man is a much greater pleasure than any other I have ever enjoyed. Our association has been a great privilege for me and believe me our exchange of ideas has many times straightened out my thinking and enriched my knowledge.
I am very proud of the record of achievement of our Department and specifically of the Engineering Division.
I shall always be indebted to you for your very able assistance and the generous contribution you have made toward the success of all the many projects completed these all too short 20 years. I do most sincerely hope that Asa & Bill Young acknowledge my judgment and your ability by processing your promotion. You have earned it and you deserve the prestige that goes with the title of Principal Engineer.
Rae asks me to thank you for your kind contribution to the success and pleasure of the Retirement Reception you and Bemis arranged. It will be the high light of my career. I can only say, many thanks. I wish you and your dear wife and nice family every happiness, continuing good health and every success.
You are one of the few men I consider a real friend and if I can ever be of any help in any way, I am as close as the phone. You are right. We must keep in touch and not let escaping time create too large a gap in our association and friendship. I will call you when I get squared away.
Kindest personal regards,
Glenn”
After Glenn retired from UCLA he went to work for Storms & Lowe, Consulting Engineers. Bob Lowe was president of the company and had done work for us at ULCA for many years. Storms had died several years earlier. This gave Glenn and I an opportunity to see one another on occasion as he worked on projects Bob Lowe had received from our office. When I decided in 1971 to leave the Campus Architects & Engineers office and go to work for the Hospital I asked Glenn to come out to the University and meet with me to discuss the idea before I made the move. Glenn supported me in every way.
In January 1978 Glenn had a colostomy operation at UCLA Hospital and they found cancer of the liver in the advanced stages, as well as in the colon. Dr. Thompkins, Glenn's Surgeon, told me they could not do anything more for him and that he only had a few months, at best, to live. Glenn was released from the hospital on February 4th and I took him home. From then on I took care of all his business needs. I did his banking, grocery buying, clothes to the laundry, etc. Glenn's wife, Rae, was an alcoholic and in no condition to care for him at all. I took him back to the hospital for his Chemotherapy treatments and his doctor appointments.
On 2 March I notified his brother, Al, who lives in Los Gatos that Glenn was just about at the end of his rope and he should come down and take care of things. I also saw that his brother, Mel, was notified. Bob Lowe and I started going through Glenn's personal things, with the approval of Rae, to try to get things in order as best we could. I found the pink slip for his car and took it into the hospital for him to sign off on it. On 22 March 1978 Glenn passed away in the Beverly West Convalescent Home where he had been transferred to from the UCLA Hospital after they could no longer help him.
We held the funeral services for Glenn on Good Friday, 24 March at the Inglewood Park Mortuary in Inglewood, California. The Reverent Daniel Newhall of the LaBrea Lodge, #650 F. & A.M. officiated, but I was able to make some remarks in Glenn's behalf. Glenn had made full arrangements for his and his wife's funerals and internment. He and Rae are buried in a double grave, Lot 844, El Portal Plot at the Inglewood Park Cemetery.
After the funeral Bob Lowe found a place where we could place Rae. It only worked out for a day or so and then Bob found the Berkley Gardens & Berkshire Sanitarium in Santa Monica, California. Rae remained there until her death on 18 August 1985. Bob Lowe and I visited her every two weeks until I retired in 1980. From then on I believe Bob visited her on his own until she passed away.
Mrs. Lucille Woodman of our A & E Office advised me that the Law Offices of Frank G. Stapleton had helped her at the time of death of her husband and recommended them to me to settle Glenn's affairs. When I contacted them and Frank Stapleton found that Bob Lowe and I were doing what we could for Glenn because of our friendship with Glenn he seemed amazed that anyone would do so much. He never charged either Bob or me a cent for all the legal work he did in behalf of Glenn and Rae. He set it up finally so that Glenn's brother, Al, was the conservator for Rae and he was entrusted with her money and took care of paying all her bills and other necessities until she died.
In going through Glenn's papers at the time of his death we found this letter that he had written to his wife on 15 October 1974, over three years before he died:
“Dear Rae, my one Love:
Be brave and do not fear. I will always be near. Do not be sad for death is the final step of Life as we know it. Love is eternal.
You and I have experienced together the presence of our Dear Ones who have departed, from time to time, for some time afterward. These experiences have not been unhappy ones, rather we have felt they were happy and relieved from all suffering.
I believe in God, that there is an existence hereafter, and also, in reincarnation. I can not explain why. Some call it Faith. I call it an inner conviction, based on what I have learned from my many and various experiences.
It will simplify things for you if you will follow the INSTRUCTIONS contained in the Inglewood Park Cemetery, Information and Legal Documents Envelope, Filed under INSURANCE.
ALL COSTS FOR EITHER OR BOTH OF US ARE FULLY PREPAID, VERIFIED BY THESE DOCUMENTS, FOR ALL MORTUARY SERVICES, FOR INTERNMENT AND FOR GRAVE MARKER.
During my lifetime I have had many friends. However, There are two Real Men who have proven to be Sincere, True, Friends and Honest Gentlemen in every respect, for whom I have the very highest Regard and Brotherly Love. They have offered to be of any assistance to you that you may need. They invite you to call on them to help with any problems you may have. I have thanked them and explained that I am sincerely grateful. I thank God to be privileged to have known them these many years and to have enjoyed my association with them.
You may get in touch with my Masonic Brother, Bob Lowe, who is more of a Brother than my Brother Relatives, at the following addresses: Office, 606 Wilshire Blvd., Santa Monica, Cal. 90401, Phone 393-3724. Home, 922-14th Street, Santa Monica, Cal. 90403, Phone 395-8342. Home, 166 Avenida Adobe, San Clemente, Cal. 92672, Phone (1) 714-492-0403, during the week ends.
You may get in touch with Bishop Dick Clarke, who has been my True Friend and most helpful Associate, sharing our office for 22 years in the UCLA-A&E Department, at the following addresses: Home, 8780 Sylmar Ave, Panorama City, Cal. 91402, Phone 892-2495. Office, UCLA Hospital Administrative Assistant, UCLA Campus, 90024. Phone 825-2174.
My Everlasting Love, Dear Little Round Wife,
(Signed) Glenn”
With all Glenn's efforts in my behalf I never did get the job of Campus Engineer or even Principal Engineer with the A & E Office. This is what lead me to switch over to working for the Hospital. It was one of the best moves I ever made!
In all Glenn's problems with his health and his death I did as much as I could for him, with the help of Bob Lowe, and had the tables been reversed I am certain that Glenn would have done as much for either one of us. He was a great man.
With the approval of the Church Genealogical Society in Salt Lake City and with no objections from Al Rogers, Glenn's Brother, I submitted the names of Glenn and Rae for Temple clearance. On December 9th, 1987 DeVonne and I did the temple work for them; sealing them as husband and wife for Time and all Eternity.